BRANDED
3:26 Tue Aug 18
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But they're not stats.
A statistic (singular) is a single measure of some attribute of a sample (e.g., its arithmetic mean value). It is calculated by applying a function (statistical algorithm) to the values of the items of the sample, which are known together as a set of data.
In my example one call gave 10k of sales and 25 calls gave 1 k.
I could
A. Increase the number of the second kind of sales man so long as there is a margin between the sales and the costs I make money and so long as the sales men are good men.
B. The salesman who got 10k with one call is costing me so much and is so disruptive that I question his overall value.
There are so many factors that could make up the overall performance of a team that stats about one bit will not give the full picture.
For instance why not add in the stats about how much sex the players are getting or if their families health is affecting them or if they have gambling troubles or a lump on their left bollock?
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Mr Polite
3:15 Tue Aug 18
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Stats are like religion.
They have their place.
But really it's best if the stats you like are kept to yourself for your own enjoyment and belief.
They become irksome when they are used to try and force you to believe a view that you know just isn't right or indeed used to try and make you change a view you know in your heart is correct.
For instance no matter what the local catholic priest says, Jesus doesn't what him to put his tongue in little boys bum holes. Similarly no matter what the penalty area entry stats say, I know that our previous manager whom I refuse to name routinely played crap football and made me hate going to games.
Thanks for reading
Mr Polite
King of shoddy analogies
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BRANDED
3:03 Tue Aug 18
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He didn't need opta for that.
I thought everybody hated Sam's stats? Do we like an alternative stats now?
As Griff says. If you enjoy it the stats are irrelevant. If you enjoy 10 losses in a row but with great performances thats great.
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i-Ron
2:59 Tue Aug 18
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Stats are only misleading if the person putting them out can't understand them.
Stats are spot on when somebody understands where is best to use them.
Like I said earlier. It's great we're keeping the ball. Unfortunately it was clear to me that we had a midfield trio that struggled to start attacks or create them when the attacking midfielders weren't doing so.
Bilic fortunately saw that too. Introuducing Obieng speeded things up, and removing Kouyate who is poor at attacking.
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BRANDED
2:56 Tue Aug 18
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As far as entertainment is concerned I do not doubt there are all kinds of actions in the stadium that would enthral the watching public. I do remember some very entertaining games last year where we beat teams with the same kind of possession as Leicester.
I think there is a difference between stats proving something you want to prove and some hard data.
So. Hard data is goals scored, yellow and red cards, injuries and general exhaustion.
Stats will help you explain away a bad result and could help you identify players failing to do their job.
So one stat could be the striker who scored a hatrick failed to track back and defend as you requested. Which may have made him knackered and reduced his chance of scoring the hatrick.
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2:55 Tue Aug 18
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I don't like to think of Lawro getting things right about us when they're a negative but on this occasion based on our form in comparison with Leicester's over a number of premiership performances he was spot on.
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Mr Polite
2:53 Tue Aug 18
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, 2:46 Tue Aug 18
depends on what view you're trying to uphold or dismiss.
:)
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2:49 Tue Aug 18
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Peroni, 2.45, I hate to say this but what you have said is what Lawro was basing his prediction on. He was wrong only insofar as we did get a goal.
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Mr Polite
2:47 Tue Aug 18
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Very good Branded.
Of course you would talk to both your salesmen to teach them that there is a balance that neither of them have got quite right.
You put your 25/1 ration salesman on a course to increase his skills and get his ration up and you put a rocket up your 1/1 ratio salesman to show that actually if he doesn't just fuck off after one call and put a bit more effort in, with the skills he has he can make the company and in turn himself a lot more successful.
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2:46 Tue Aug 18
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So we are agreed that possession and passing stats are regularly misleading in terms of how a game went?
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peroni
2:45 Tue Aug 18
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Branded.
Sales isn't entertainment though is it?
Leicester have won 28 points since April 2015, more than any other Premier League team. We had 70% possession against the country's top team. Coming from the point where Allardyce left us, to me it looks like Bilic is performing an absolute miracle.
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BRANDED
2:37 Tue Aug 18
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Polite.
Good analogies but I'll give you a better one.
I go into my sales staff and ask how much volume they've shifted today.
Sales man one say 1,000m3. Great. And i made 25 calls shifting it sir.
Sales man 2. 10,000m3. I just made the one call and we went out on the piss afterwards as he's by far my best customer and there really is no need to fuck about with more calls.
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i-Ron
2:37 Tue Aug 18
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I think you're reinforcing my point there Branded! Cheers.
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i-Ron
2:36 Tue Aug 18
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Stats just need to be analysed properly with consideration of the variables. Then again I do data analysis for one of the biggest consumer companies that is worth billions of pounds, so I'm maybe bias.
There's a place for it in football. Clubs use it. It's just a shame whenever stats are used on a football forum it's always face value.
Like Griffin says, sometimes it's best just watching yourself. Like the Diame thing recently. He may have made an average on 18 successful passes per game, but it never says if that pass was too heavy, too light, lead to an attack etc.
I'm sure football clubs have that bit covered though. It's just places like here that struggles
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BRANDED
2:33 Tue Aug 18
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Right lads. If you can get that extra pass in in midfield and keep the ball we'll really get our possession stats right up. Make sure all your opta stats are right up there.
Yes boss. What about scoring?
Don't worry about that. It will come with time when we've bought some better players.
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Mr Polite
2:33 Tue Aug 18
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Stats can be used for or against most arguments and can be easily dismissed too depending on what your view was in the beginning.
Stats are like poppadums. Pleasant to have in small doses but ultimately if that's what you use to form your opinion of Indian food then pretty pointless.
If you use stats to form opinions on football the you're a shitehawk whose views are not worth listening to.
Thanks for reading
Mr Polite
King of shoddy analogies
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i-Ron
2:32 Tue Aug 18
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Probably not because that's a ridiculous assumption.
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BRANDED
2:29 Tue Aug 18
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ha.
I assume Eddie howe did nothing else but talk about stats then?
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i-Ron
2:23 Tue Aug 18
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I see that bloke Mahrez who scored and cost 350k was bought off the back off STATS by Leicester.
I also see that Eddie Howe used STATS as an example to his players which he claimed was the main drive in their turnaround halfway through the season.
So I guess there is a place for it in football, even if there isn't a place for it in Brandad's head while he sits there having his Sainsbury's £3 meal deal in his 9-5 office job.
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stewie griffin
2:21 Tue Aug 18
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Alex V 2:14 Tue Aug 18
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With respect, I don't think any of them are useful.
They're generally used by people who don't understand the game, like Richard KEYS, to further his agenda about how we beat Arsenal playing the 'Big Sam' way.
They had 62% possession, 22 shots, 6 on target.
Sorry, but my EYES tell me it was nothing like an Allardyce performance, and only with one save at the end from Sanchez did I ever feel like our goal was under threat.
We completely controlled the game & confined them to areas in which we were comfortable.
Even Arsene Wenger admitted that we were thoroughly deserving of our 3 points, and not because of some back handed compliment.
There's none of your 'useful' stats that demonstrate any of that at all.
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